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Adam Stuart Smith
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« on: February 03, 2009, 06:38:49 PM »

Some of you may be interested to know that among the 2009 releases from toy company Safari Ltd is a new mosasaur.

A significant improvement over their original attempt.


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« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2009, 08:23:07 PM »

Adam,

Thanks for the post... You're right, it does look much better than this one...

http://www.oceansofkansas.com/Mosasaurs3/Carnegie01.jpg

.... but since I worked with the artist and the Carnegie, I'm a bit disappointed... it was supposed to look like this (unpainted version):



I haven't seen it yet in person, so I'm hopeful that the picture of the final version is mis-leading..

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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2009, 02:03:05 PM »

Yeah, the official catalogue image looks closer to the version you posted



Maybe it's just the angle?
I'll reserve judgement until I see it in person.
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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2009, 04:26:11 PM »

I'm not seeing much of a difference there.

At least there's no more "fringe".
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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2009, 07:25:58 PM »

Finally, a tail-bend! I've been ranting about that for twenty years now.
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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2009, 08:35:04 PM »

Dan,

While I have no problem with a tail bend in the vertebral column... do we have any evidence that it would actually be visible as a drop in the tail itself?

One of the things I liked about your original broad, blunt version of the tail was that it could support either version on the terminal portion of the vertebral column.

Somehow, they reverted back to the sharply pointed terminus.

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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2009, 08:52:40 PM »

Dan,

While I have no problem with a tail bend in the vertebral column... do we have any evidence that it would actually be visible as a drop in the tail itself?

One of the things I liked about your original broad, blunt version of the tail was that it could support either version on the terminal portion of the vertebral column.

Somehow, they reverted back to the sharply pointed terminus.

Mike

At least you have Lindgren et al., 2003; here is the abstract:

The concept of convergence, that is, how unrelated animals independently evolve similar morphological traits, is a fundamental aspect of evolution. Hitherto, the Mesozoic ichthyosaurs were regarded as the sole obligate marine reptiles that achieved a fully streamlined body and a semilunate tail fluke. However, analyses of vertebral centrum morphometrics and process orientation have revealed that a subsequent clade of secondarily aquatic reptiles, the mosasaurs (here exemplified by the advanced, mid- Maastrichtian mosasaurine Plotosaurus ), had developed a deep, fusiform body and a probable pursuit-predatory behaviour by the time of their sudden extinction at the Cretaceous–Paleogene boundary. Stringent physical constraints and selection pressures, imposed by the surrounding water, probably were responsible for this spectacular
example of large-scale evolutionary convergence.

I've the .pdf version of this article, just PM me. Plotosaurus seems to have modified neural spines at the very end of its tail. They show a tail fluke similar to that of Triassic ichthyosaurs such as Californosaurus on Plotosaurus.

Lindgren J, Jagt JWM & Caldwell MW. 2007. A fishy mosasaur: the axial skeleton of Plotosaurus (Reptilia, Squamata) reassessed. Lethaia, 40: 153-160.

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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2009, 10:22:54 PM »

Val,
Thanks... I'm not familiar with that paper but have reviewed a similar one for the JVP...



While Plotosaurus, Clidastes and other mosasaur species have obvious structural changes in the paddles and the caudal vertebrae (e.g. longer dorsal processes), these changes are not as evident with earlier mosasaurs such as Tylosaurus and Platecarpus (Santonian-Campanian)... They are certainly much more subtle than what you can readily see in Plotosaurus (Maastrichtian)... There is little doubt that Plotosaurus was trying to become more ichthyosaur-like... It's possible, I suppose, that Plotosaurus had an unsupported upper lobe on the tail, too... 



Schumacher and Varner made a good case for it in 1996 (SVP abstract) but I don't think they have followed through with a paper:

Schumacher, B. A. and D. W. Varner, 1996. Mosasaur caudal anatomy. Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology, 16(suppl. to 3):63A.

My question remains as to whether the relatively small amount of curvature observed in caudal vertebrae observed by Schumacher and Varner would be expressed an actual downturn of the fleshed out tail of Tylosaurus.

Note this specimen still in the chalk matrix at the KU Museum of Natural History... where the tail bend should be occurring... (This tail was damaged in life - fused vertebrae)



More about mosasaur evolution here:
http://www.oceansofkansas.com/RapidMosa.html

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Mike
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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2009, 12:02:38 AM »

The T. kansasensis that we mounted for the National Science and Technology Museum in Gwacheon, Seoul, Korea had 77 consecutive caudals in articulation. There was no preserved bend, however the neural spines did overlap slightly in the tail bend area, and a downward bend would have freed them. I took measurements and photographs before it went overseas and provided them to Johan. Should be getting the accession numbers any day now.
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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2009, 05:11:03 AM »

Anthony,
It's fairly easy to see that the dorsal spines change shape as they go toward the end of the tail... including at least one that is nearly straight up and down...

Here's a picture that I took of the ORM specimen caudal vertebrae back in 2004:



Although they are a little messed up, there is definitely something going on with the dorsal spines.

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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2009, 05:16:20 PM »

The area just to the left of the center of the photo shows the crowding of those neural spines well. That side of the jacket was prepared before I wored for TPI, and I can't comment on the experience of the original preppers, however it was apparent to me from many scratches that a lot of the damage to the distal parts of the chevrons and tips of the neural spines was due to Squalicorax rather than carelessness. In fact, many of the broken ends had matrix in them, and a few show bites in the shape and size of the shark mouth. I'm still working on that paper. Those caudals should be in the CA-50-60 range.

Here's a cast of the tail on display in Korea. I molded that nice bite before I flipped the jacket to prepare the other side. The text suprisingly made it through without getting too engrishified!

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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2009, 01:09:16 AM »

Anthony,
Thanks... good to see part of the exhibit...

Please let me know when you get an official specimen number for the beast... I want to add it to my list of T. kansasensis specimens.

Mike
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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2009, 07:49:54 PM »



This thread sort of drifted away from the original subject, the new Carnegie Collection release of Tylosaurus proriger... so I thought I'd bring it back before interest fades too much. The above photo of the unpainted prototype shows some of the detail in the new model.

The model is 11.75 in (20 cm) in length... and represents a 30 ft (10 m) long mosasaur...

Here's the link on Safari, LTD:
http://www.safariltd.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=SL&Product_Code=421501

... and for those of you interested in fine sculpture, a link to web site of the artist (Forest Rogers):
 http://www.forestrogers.com/

Regard,
Mike
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« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2009, 11:20:31 PM »

More photos on the dinosaur toy forum, several different angles:
http://dinotoyforum.proboards100.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=toys&thread=1009&page=1

Looks better than I first thought Smiley



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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2009, 01:42:16 PM »

Adam,
Thanks for posting those... they answered a lot of my questions / concerns about possible loss of detail... looks like Safari LTD was pretty good about preserving as much as possible of the original detail... excellent quality in a relatively inexpensive rubber model.

Mike
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